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tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 39
I've often wondered what the difference was--if any--between a taiyouaki and a daiyoukai. Thanks to the wonderful Nobody, I learned that tai actually means fish and dai means big. SO this entire time I have insulting my Fluffy by calling him a fish youkai?

**begs forgiveness from Sesshoumaru**

Just thought I'd share the info! And see if anyone else out there has something to add to the topic....
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 31
lmao!!!!! So tai means fish--that's hilarious...poor Sesshy though!
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 12
LC Rose wrote:
I've often wondered what the difference was--if any--between a taiyouaki and a daiyoukai. Thanks to the wonderful Nobody, I learned that tai actually means fish and dai means big. SO this entire time I have insulting my Fluffy by calling him a fish youkai?



Eeep! Me too. **begs forgiveness with you**


I had always thought that "tai" and "dai" were the same thing, but just two different ways of transcribing a pictograph into a phonetic language. Just like "taoist" and "daoist", or "Peking" and "Beijing"


Shows what I know.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 26
I had wondered about that too! I had wondered why I had never seen the word Tayoukai, in the magna. I do however remember Totosai, calling Sesshoumaru a Daiyoukai.

Fortunately, I have only rarely used the word taiyoukai in reference to Sesshoumaru. Once, twice at the most. But... hey wait! I think I just used it in the latest chapter of my story!!! *runs off to change it*
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 9
it must have been a typo or something because the hiragana for Da is basicly ta with two dashes, i always wondered that too, i understood how daiyoukai but never Tai.
 
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It might be because of the title "Inu no Taishou"? Perhaps someone decided that since that meant great dog general that a great youkai would be a taiyoukai instead of a daiyoukai.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 39
Jupe wrote:
It might be because of the title "Inu no Taishou"? Perhaps someone decided that since that meant great dog general that a great youkai would be a taiyoukai instead of a daiyoukai.

You are probably more than correct, Jupe! Never thought of that origin....
 
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tai seems pretty common. I use Inuyoukai all the time and I have clue what it means. Help please.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 12
I think that Inuyoukai means dog-demon. Youkai meaning demon or spirit, and Inu meaning dog (like Inuyasha).

But if someone knows better than me, I encourage them to smack me over the head with a ruler and set the record straight.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 10
Inuyoukai means dog-spirit in Japanese. Translated into English for the purpose of the manga, show and western culture... it comes out as demon. Its to differentiate it from a spirit/ ghost.

As for tai/dai. I cant say for certain what it means without the Japanese Kanji. If someone can get me the Japanese kanji of that them calling sesshoumaru that i can look it up. Hiragana for these wont matter too much. If you want Direct translation.. you MUST use Kanji.



EDIT: I did some searching since i needed to find the Japanese Characters. So I looked up Shoguns and their titles and such.

The Character for Tai/ Dai in Kanji is ? (the japanese character dont show up! T_T). It is interchangeable. They both mean Large/Great. Such as daimyo - Great Landlord. So Taiyouki/Daiyouki would be Great Spirit/Demon.

As for Inu no Taisho - Great Dog General or Great General of Dog. Its a title.
Inu - dog,
no - is a Particle to indicate possessive ( in the title it would mean "is or of" Depends on how you want to read it ),
Tai - Great,
Sho - General.
 
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To be honest I know very little about the history of Japan. Thank you both. Your explanations sure help a lot.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 10
your welcome.

Also Dai/tai should never be used alone.. like alot of people have done in their stories. the whole word should be used ... taiyouki/daiyouki.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 39
Wow. Thanks for the wealth of information here! Now I need to go and correct my fics....
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 9
I've heard from a friend on deviantart that has a Japanese penpal that it's supposed to be daiyoukai but most fanfic authors put taiyoukai(I'm one of those authoress's *nervous laughter*) so I guess it really doesn't matter I guess whatever floats your boat you know
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 9
demoniclove wrote:
tai seems pretty common. I use Inuyoukai all the time and I have clue what it means. Help please.

It means "Dog Demon" n.n

(Sorry I double posted but I really had the urge to help this person with the definition since I read a TON of fanfics so I started to pick up on alot of the Japanese vocabulary used)
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 15
I think this was posted in another thread but I can't find it, heh.

freelance-manga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1249.0

According to the few fluent Japanese speakers I've mentioned it to, they all went with "Dai", but it sounds like it really depends on how you do the pronunciation.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 10
Wow.... Dokuga hates me... I've tried to update this like 20000000x lol

After talking to my Japanese friend about the Tai/Dai Kanji character

The correct term pronouncation is Daiyoukai.


and It is still correct for Inutaishou to be pronounced with Tai.


real examples -

daimyo : Great Landlord

Seii taishougun:great general who subdues the eastern barbarians.


I had more to say but after rewriting this up 50000000000000x I give up lmao.
 
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Re:tai or dai? 15 Years, 9 Months ago Karma: 0
Japanese name meaning for: Dai
Japanese: Great
Japanese: Big

In Chinese: there are two sources of this surname, both from the Spring and Autumn period (722–481 bc). At one time, there existed a state of Dai at one time (in modern Henan province). When this was defeated by the state of Cheng, residents of the defeated state adopted Dai as their surname. Additionally, a duke of the state of Song was called Dai, and his descendants adopted Dai as their surname.
Found info here: baby-names.familyeducation.com/name-meaning/dai?detoured=1
 
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Wow. Thanks for all the wonderful responses to this! I love learning all of this information as it makes me a better writer. If I could, I'd give karma to you all in one swoop.
 
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